E172 - Using the Carrot and the Stick Method Depends on the Situation
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[01:40] Kondo
Prisoner 3-2034.
[01:45] Kondo
Kohei Tanaka.
[01:46] Kondo
A vicious serial killer who murdered
35 Bakufu employees.
[01:51] Kondo
Also known as Kohei the Manslayer, a leader in the
Akatsuki faction of the radical Anti-Foreigner Faction.
[01:55] Kondo
Surrounded by over forty Bakufu officials,
with a dozen cuts on his body,
[02:01] Kondo
he didn't bat an eye as
he killed seven officials.
[02:05] Kondo
After being captured, he has
yet to respond to torture,
[02:09] Kondo
and we haven't been able to
get him to open his mouth.
[02:15] Kondo
No, that would be the
wrong way to put it.
[02:18] Kondo
His mouth is definitely open.
[02:21] Kondo
In fact, it's been open the whole time.
[02:23] Kondo
He never stops smiling, regardless
of the torture he's going through.
[02:28] Kondo
He's always smiling like
he's enjoying it all.
SIGN ["It All Depends On How You Use The 'Carrot and Stick' Method"]
[02:39] Hijikata
The suits have given us
a real pain to deal with.
[02:42] Kondo
There have been reports of a large-scale terrorist
attack in the works by the Akatsuki faction.
[02:48] Kondo
He must know the details.
[02:52] Hijikata
And we're supposed to
force it out of him?
[02:54] Kondo
Yeah, pretty much.
[02:56] Kondo
Can you do it?
[02:58] Okita
I doubt we'll be able to make
him talk through torture.
[03:01] Okita
Look at that masochistic face.
[03:05] Okita
Does he look like someone in a desperate situation
after being captured by the enemy?
[03:10] Okita
He isn't thinking about how
to get out of this situation.
[03:14] Okita
He's enjoying the situation.
[03:17] Yamazaki
He must have been trained
to take torture.
[03:20] Yamazaki
He doesn't reject pain.
[03:23] Yamazaki
He's probably learned
to seek and relish it.
[03:26] Yamazaki
We could cut off an arm or leg,
[03:28] Yamazaki
and he would keep on smiling like that.
[03:31] Kondo
So it's impossible to pressure
him through pain.
[03:35] Kondo
Still, what do we do, Toshi?
[03:39] Hijikata
There's more to an interrogation
than going on the attack.
[03:42] Hijikata
We'll use the "carrot and stick"
technique to make him talk.
[03:48] Hijikata
Lose the mindset of forcing
information from him.
[03:50] Hijikata
We're going to get close
to him and snatch it.
[03:53] Yamazaki
So you want to win him over...
[03:54] Yamazaki
How exactly are we supposed to
get a serial killer to warm up?
[03:59] Yamazaki
If someone like him had been in my class, I
wouldn't have wanted to be friends with him.
[04:03] Yamazaki
I would have graduated without
saying a word to him.
[04:07] Kondo
It's fine.
[04:07] Kondo
When you're about to graduate, the people
you couldn't stand all look like nice people.
[04:10] Yamazaki
Uh, how is it fine?
[04:13] Yamazaki
What are we graduating from?
[04:15] Okita
Hijikata-san, this is your chance
to make a friend.
[04:18] Okita
Do you intend to end three years of school
without ever lifting your head off your desk?
[04:22] Hijikata
Don't talk about me like I'm
some sorry, lonely guy!
[04:24] Okita
You'll never make any friends if you
aren't willing to approach anyone.
[04:28] Okita
Physical exams are a great time
to try, with everybody hyped up.
[04:32] Okita
"Oh? You wear briefs?"
[04:34] Okita
You know, something along those lines.
[04:36] Hijikata
Who are you accusing
of wearing briefs?!
[04:38] Kondo
Go for it!
[04:39] Kondo
Be brave, Toshi!
[04:40] Okita
Open his heart!
[04:42] Okita
Open his briefs, Toshi!
[04:44] Hijikata
Hey! Why are you trying to
push the dirty work on me?!
[04:47] Hijikata
Yamazaki, you go.
[04:49] Hijikata
You wear briefs, right?
[04:51] Hijikata
Get going.
[04:51] Yamazaki
No, I wear boxers!
[04:53] Hijikata
Shut up.
[04:54] Hijikata
You might as well be wearing briefs.
[04:56] Hijikata
You ooze lameness...
[04:58] Yamazaki
No, wait...
[05:00] Yamazaki
We don't even know if he wears briefs...
[05:02] Hijikata
Stop wasting time and get going!
[05:08] Kondo
Open!
[05:09] Kondo
Open his briefs, Zaki!
[05:11] ---
Ow-ow-ow...
[05:17] Yamazaki
S-Scary!
[05:22] Yamazaki
This guy's really creepy up close!
[05:25] Yamazaki
Like he's going to jump me at any time!
[05:28] Kondo
Zaki, carrot and stick.
[05:30] Kondo
Mercilessly pressure him, while offering
gentle words of comfort.
SIGN
[05:34] Kondo
Use the tsundere principle
to catch his heart!
[05:39] Yamazaki
Calm down.
[05:41] Yamazaki
His arms and legs are chained
together so he can't move.
[05:44] Yamazaki
And everybody's watching me through
the two-way mirror behind me.
[05:47] Yamazaki
I'll start with a threat.
[05:50] Yamazaki
He's looking down on the police.
[05:53] Yamazaki
I won't be able to accomplish anything if
I can't get that smug smile off his face!
[05:59] Yamazaki
Fuck it, patchwork baldy!
[06:02] Yamazaki
How long you gonna keep playin' it cool?
[06:06] Yamazaki
Don't mess with the police, mothafucka!
[06:10] Yamazaki
We don't have all day here!
[06:12] Yamazaki
The anime's on its fourth year, with our
stock of original material running out!
[06:15] Yamazaki
We get manga manuscripts
faxed over every week!
[06:18] Yamazaki
We're on the ropes!
[06:19] Yamazaki
Everybody's stressed out to the limit!
[06:23] Yamazaki
We don't got time to waste on
a guest character like you!
[06:27] Yamazaki
So cut to the chase and spill your guts!
[06:30] Hijikata
What's he talking about?
[06:32] Yamazaki
I wanna play DQ too!
SIGN [Note: Refers to the recently released "Dragon Quest IX".]
[06:35] Yamazaki
I haven't beaten it yet!
[06:38] Yamazaki
But I'm sucking it up and
working my ass off!
[06:40] Yamazaki
I have to deal with people like you
instead of doing what I want to do!
[06:44] Kondo
Hey, isn't he just bitching now?
[06:46] Yamazaki
Damn it!
[06:48] Yamazaki
Why can't I get a job like the one
Kochikame's Akimoto has?!
SIGN
[06:52] Kondo
What is he doing?
[06:54] Kondo
He's not even looking at the suspect.
[06:57] Kondo
He's just channeling the author
of this manga now.
SIGN
[07:00] Yamazaki
I watched Binetsu Tairiku!
[07:02] Yamazaki
I was all pumped up to
work after watching it,
[07:04] Yamazaki
so I sat down at my desk,
but it was no good!
[07:07] Yamazaki
I can't be like you! I'm worthless!
[07:11] Hijikata
Yeah, we don't care.
[07:13] Hijikata
Cut it out.
SIGN [Note: Hideaki Sorachi= original manga author for Gintama.]
[07:14] Hijikata
This isn't a place for Sorachi to repent.
[07:17] Yamazaki
I'm just... I'm just...
[07:27] Yamazaki
This is the theme from Binetsu Tairiku...
[07:31] Yamazaki
The Taro song...
[07:34] Yamazaki
You...
[07:35] Tanaka
You are certainly a failure of a human.
[07:38] Yamazaki
What?
[07:40] Yamazaki
Like you're one to talk.
[07:41] Tanaka
I'm not referring to your
tardy work habits.
[07:44] Tanaka
I'm talking about how you gaze at the
top of the mountain in servitude.
[07:49] Tanaka
The path to the top will only grow
longer if you belittle yourself.
[07:54] Tanaka
A mountain peak does not exist
to show how small you are.
[07:59] Tanaka
It's there to provide you with a goal.
[08:02] Tanaka
If you have to wander down a side path,
[08:05] Tanaka
you should take your time
to slowly climb up.
[08:09] Tanaka
The mountain you call Akimoto-san
was the product of thirty years.
SIGN
[08:13] Tanaka
It won't be an easy climb for you.
[08:15] Tanaka
You must be prepared
to spend thirty years.
[08:19] Tanaka
Step by step, as steady as a turtle...
SIGN [Note: Part of the manga title "Kochikame" is "kame", which is turtle.]
[08:24] Tanaka
It's possible that you'll
never reach the top.
[08:27] Tanaka
You may burn out halfway.
[08:30] Tanaka
However, you'll still have a better
view than you do now.
[08:40] Yamazaki
Thank you very much.
[08:42] Yamazaki
If you'll excuse me.
[08:44] Hijikata
What did you go in there for?!
[08:46] Hijikata
Why did you fall for his carrot?!
[08:49] Hijikata
Why did you let him use
the stick on you?!
[08:51] Hijikata
Why were you the one
who spilled his guts?!
[08:54] Hijikata
You're supposed to get the
suspect to spill his guts!
[08:56] Yamazaki
Still, I was able to get close to him.
[08:58] Yamazaki
He burned me a DVD of Binetsu Tairiku.
[09:01] Hijikata
He's the one who won you over!
[09:04] Okita
Hey, Yamazaki.
[09:05] Okita
Lend me that.
[09:07] Yamazaki
Now, I'll always be able
to see the rare scene,
[09:09] Yamazaki
where the interviewers ask kind Mr. Akimoto
what he's most angry about right now,
SIGN
[09:14] Yamazaki
and he gives his long answer in the interview.
[09:18] Hijikata
How could you enjoy that?!
[09:20] Hijikata
It must have been a really long interview
to make Mr. Akimoto say that.
[09:24] Hijikata
Rewatch the part where he's
interviewing the interviewers!
[09:29] Hijikata
Yamazaki, you let him
pull a fast one on you.
[09:33] Hijikata
I can't believe you let yourself
be lectured by that murderer.
[09:38] Hijikata
Pathetic...
[09:39] Kondo
He'll be a tough nut to crack.
[09:42] Kondo
Okay. I'll go next.
[09:45] Kondo
That's enough threatening.
[09:48] Kondo
I'll go with carrot.
[09:49] Kondo
Just like the rogue detective.
SIGN [Note: Parody of the police TV drama "Hagure Keiji Jyunjyo-ha (Rogue Detective Naïve Type).]
[09:52] Kondo
Detective Gorilla: Empathy Type.
[09:55] Kondo
I'll use empathy to sway him over.
[09:58] Hijikata
It says Detective Gorilla. You're a gorilla.
[10:00] Hijikata
You've strayed from the human race.
[10:03] Kondo
Chief, take care of my daughters
if anything happens to me.
[10:09] Hijikata
Where's the chief or your daughters?
[10:11] Kondo
Detective Kane.
SIGN
[10:13] Kondo
You should learn to act
before you learn action.
[10:16] Okita
Yeah, whatever happened
to Detective Kane?
[10:21] Kondo
You're probably sick of the prison slop.
[10:23] Kondo
I've brought you something
special today.
[10:25] Kondo
Eat as much as you want.
[10:27] Kondo
It's Gorilla's special katsudon.
SIGN
[10:30] Hijikata
The katsudon might be
considered empathetic,
[10:34] Hijikata
but the way he's feeding
it to him is anything but.
[10:37] ---
Eat up.
[10:38] Hijikata
The exact opposite, in fact.
[10:43] Kondo
All right now...
[10:47] Kondo
Fact is, I have a son your age.
[10:53] Hijikata
Hey, Detective Gorilla!
[10:54] Hijikata
How old are you supposed to be?!
[10:55] Hijikata
That makes your son an old man!
[10:58] Kondo
You remind me of my son.
[11:02] Kondo
I wonder where he is now...
[11:05] Kondo
He said something about studying
action in America...
[11:08] Hijikata
How did Detective Kane
become your son?!
[11:11] Kondo
There was a period when he
went down the wrong path...
[11:14] Kondo
He'd be immersed in dangerous
bodybuilding shows every night
SIGN
[11:18] Kondo
like Muscle Ranking and SASUKE...
[11:21] Hijikata
Yeah, that sure is dangerous, but...
[11:23] Kondo
Murofushi, Shoei...
SIGN
[11:25] Kondo
Those were the nameless muscle
freaks he joined with,
[11:28] Kondo
as they snorted muscles,
[11:29] Kondo
and raced around in stolen muscles.
SIGN [Note: Kondo is using "muscle" in lieu of "drug" and "motorcycle".]
[11:31] Kondo
It was awful...
[11:33] Hijikata
What the hell are stolen muscles?!
[11:35] Hijikata
How would that work?!
[11:37] Kondo
Eventually, my wife collapsed
because of her muscles.
[11:42] Hijikata
What?!
[11:43] Hijikata
You're not even making any sense now!
[11:44] Hijikata
Enough! Enough about Detective Kane!
[11:46] Kondo
She must have been worried
about our son's muscles...
[11:50] Hijikata
Stop talking about muscles!
[11:53] Kondo
But our son never came to the hospital,
despite his mother's condition.
[12:00] Kondo
He had been locked up in the slammer!
[12:03] Hijikata
Hey!
[12:04] Hijikata
Why are you giving Kane
a criminal record?!
[12:06] Kondo
Illegal possession of muscles.
[12:09] Kondo
He'd been secretly growing
Iketani in his closet.
SIGN
[12:13] Hijikata
How would that even work?!
[12:15] Kondo
He might have avoided arrest if
it had been the younger Iketani,
SIGN
[12:19] Kondo
but the older Iketani assures
you of a sentencing.
[12:22] Hijikata
What's the difference?
[12:23] Kondo
I was enraged, despondent...
[12:26] Kondo
I considered cutting ties with him.
[12:28] Kondo
How could I call him my son when
he hadn't come to see his mother
[12:33] Kondo
on her deathbed because
of his muscle addiction!
[12:36] Kondo
But as I sat there in despair
and regret, my wife told me.
[12:43] Kondo
Don't run away.
[12:45] Kondo
If it's the duty of a parent to praise a child
and rejoice when he does something right,
[12:55] Kondo
it's also the duty of a parent to curse and
mourn when he does something wrong!
[13:03] Kondo
Once my son was released, I beat him
to a pulp... Till he almost died...
[13:10] Kondo
However, when he repented his
old ways and stood up,
[13:13] Kondo
I embraced him as tight as I
could... Till he almost died...
[13:18] Kondo
It's the job of a parent to accept their
child, no matter what they become.
[13:24] Kondo
However, no parent would
want to hate their child.
[13:29] Kondo
If it's the parent's responsibility
to love and hate their child,
[13:32] Kondo
what is the child's responsibility?
[13:36] Kondo
I'll make this simple.
[13:38] Kondo
Don't make your parents suffer.
[13:41] Kondo
Please don't make them go
through what my wife did.
[13:46] Kondo
You have committed many sins.
[13:49] Kondo
It's too late for you to erase them.
[13:52] Kondo
Your parents will have to bear that
burden for the rest of their lives.
[13:58] Kondo
But there are still sins that
you can make up for.
[14:03] Kondo
It's still possible for you to lessen
the burden on your parents!
[14:15] Tanaka
I'll spill...
[14:33] Tanaka
I'll spill everything...
[14:37] Kondo
You...
[14:38] Hijikata
D-Don't tell me he actually
convinced that murderer?!
[14:43] Kondo
Did you see that, Toshi?! Sogo?!
[14:46] Kondo
It's all about heart!
[14:47] Kondo
My heartfelt carrot was able to
soften this hardened criminal!
[14:52] Kondo
Touch this killer deep down...
[14:54] Hijikata
He spilled something else!
[15:08] Kondo
What the hell is this?!
SIGN
[15:10] Hijikata
Why did this turn into a Detective
G-Pan death scene?!
[15:12] Hijikata
Weren't you a rogue detective?!
[15:16] Hijikata
Why are they playing the death music from Howl
to the Sun for a scene where he got barfed on?!
[15:21] Tanaka
Ah, I'm sorry.
[15:23] Tanaka
I believe this katsudon is spoiled?
[15:31] Kondo
H-Hold on...
[15:34] Kondo
It hasn't spoiled yet.
[15:36] Kondo
Please wait...
[15:37] Kondo
Don't throw this away...
[15:38] Kondo
It's only three days old!
[15:40] Kondo
I was saving it to eat later!
[15:43] Hijikata
No, the katsudon's definitely spoiled.
So is your head, for that matter.
[15:46] Tanaka
Forgive me.
[15:47] Tanaka
After you went through the trouble
to prepare that for me, well...
[15:51] Tanaka
I'll take responsibility
by eating all of it,
[15:53] Tanaka
so please leave it here.
[15:55] Kondo
What the hell is this?!
[15:57] Hijikata
Wait... Please wait!
[15:59] Hijikata
Don't take this from me!
[16:01] Hijikata
Don't overdo it!
[16:03] Hijikata
I don't want to become a killer!
[16:05] Hijikata
Hey, could you drop the
crappy imitation?
[16:08] Tanaka
Please set your mind at ease.
[16:10] Tanaka
You've done nothing wrong.
[16:12] Tanaka
I have faith in you.
[16:15] Tanaka
If it's the parent's duty to
bear the child's sins,
[16:20] Tanaka
the "friend" should take the duty of having
faith and fighting by your side.
[16:31] Okita
Gorilla-san!
[16:32] Hijikata
Weren't you going for G-Pan?!
[16:33] Hijikata
What happened to the rogue detective?!
[16:35] Okita
Gori-san! Hang in there!
[16:38] Okita
Hey!
[16:40] Kondo
He got me...
[16:42] Kondo
I was soundly defeated...
[16:44] Kondo
After I suspected him and
fed him this pig feed...
[16:50] Kondo
He called me friend... He
still believed in me...
[16:53] Hijikata
Yeah, why a pork cutlet?
[16:54] Hijikata
Shouldn't that be a cigarette?!
[16:57] Kondo
Detective Mayora...
SIGN
[16:59] Kondo
Detective Sadist...
[17:01] Kondo
The rest is up to you...
[17:06] Okita
Gori-san!
[17:09] Hijikata
What's going on?
[17:11] Hijikata
Our attempt to convince that murderer
[17:15] Hijikata
is backfiring...
[17:18] Okita
Hijikata-san...
[17:20] Okita
He seems to be much better than
us at using carrot and stick.
SIGN [?-kun]
[17:27] Okita
Your concept of carrot and stick
SIGN [?-chan, you're too close!]
[17:29] Okita
is basically where someone who's
always beating you from behind
SIGN [It's embarrassing when people are watching]
SIGN [What~ That's not true~]
SIGN [On the other hand]
SIGN [Geez, I can't believe you, stupid ?-kun]
[17:34] Okita
says something kind or righteous,
SIGN [Sorry, XX-chan...]
[17:38] Okita
you appreciate it more than if it
came from someone normal.
SIGN [I love you, ?-kun]
[17:41] Okita
What you might call the gap principle.
[17:43] Hijikata
What's with the really dumb visual aids?
SIGN [...is more of a turn-on]
[17:46] Okita
However...
[17:46] Hijikata
What? We're not done with
these weird visuals?
[17:48] Okita
He's already known to be a vicious killer,
[17:53] Okita
so you could say that we've already
experienced his stick.
[17:57] Okita
By the time we try to give him the stick,
[18:00] Okita
he's already finished.
SIGN [Mr. Akimoto is wonderful...!!!]
[18:04] Okita
He just has to spew some
nice-sounding crap,
SIGN [Oh... My friend...]
[18:06] Okita
to accomplish the carrot and stick effect.
[18:09] Okita
We will always be behind in the score,
[18:12] Okita
which is why we aren't
getting any results.
[18:16] Okita
If we want to win, we have to achieve
carrot and stick before he does.
[18:22] Hijikata
Can we do that?
[18:26] Okita
It's impossible to do it alone.
[18:28] Okita
But...
[18:32] Hijikata
I see!
[18:39] Okita
Don't make yourself too comfortable!
[18:41] Okita
Your torture's about to start!
[18:43] Hijikata
A top-class sadist who's aiming
for his superior's life!
[18:47] Hijikata
And...
[18:50] Hijikata
Are you okay?!
[18:51] Hijikata
Are you hurt?!
[18:54] Okita
The follow-up master who cleans up after
superiors and subordinates alike!
[19:01] Both
If the two of us work together,
[19:03] Both
we can form the best carrot and stick!
[19:07] Okita
Now...
[19:09] Hijikata
It's over.
[19:17] Tanaka
Uh, sorry...
[19:19] Tanaka
What are you doing?
[19:21] Both
Wh-What?!
[19:23] Okita
Carrot and stick isn't working!
[19:25] Okita
Impossible!
[19:26] Hijikata
That should have been a clean hit!
[19:31] Tanaka
Are you okay?
[19:32] Tanaka
Why don't you have a
seat so we can talk?
[19:34] Tanaka
I was feeling lonely because
everybody had gone.
[19:42] Hijikata
A murderer feeling lonely...?!
[19:46] Okita
This guy has brought out
a real carrot bomb!
[19:53] Both
We can't hold him off!
[19:57] Okita
Hijikata-san!
[19:58] Okita
We've had this completely
wrong from the beginning!
[20:03] Okita
Think back!
[20:05] Okita
This guy is a masochist!
[20:08] Okita
Which means a normal carrot
and stick won't work on him!
[20:12] Hijikata
I-I see!
[20:13] Hijikata
A masochist won't feel any
pain from the stick!
[20:17] Hijikata
So his carrot would be the stick!
[20:20] Hijikata
We had the order wrong!
[20:23] Hijikata
Using the stick and then carrot in that
order didn't have any effect on him!
[20:29] Hijikata
We have to hit him with
the carrot, then the stick!
[20:38] Hijikata
No, wait...
[20:40] Hijikata
My carrot shouldn't have
lost its effect yet.
[20:43] Hijikata
Which means we need one more...
[20:45] Hijikata
One more lash with the stick to
complete our carrot and stick!
[20:49] Hijikata
But he's so far away...
[20:51] Hijikata
I'm losing my will to fight...
[20:55] Hijikata
It's no use...
[20:56] Hijikata
I can no longer...
[20:58] Hijikata
fight...
[21:00] ---
Toshi.
[21:02] Kondo
Toshi...
[21:03] Kondo
Toshi!
[21:04] Kondo
Toshi!
[21:05] Yamazaki
Vice-Chief!
[21:06] Hijikata
You guys!
[21:12] Hijikata
I can...
[21:13] Hijikata
I can feel power surging through me!
[21:16] Hijikata
I see...
[21:18] Hijikata
Carrot and stick isn't
limited to the enemy.
[21:23] Hijikata
Our plight was the stick.
[21:26] Hijikata
And the comrades who are able
to rise up out of this plight
[21:31] Hijikata
serve as the greatest carrot!
[21:36] All
Go!
[21:39] Man
Uh, this might be a bad
time to interrupt you all.
[21:45] Man
Uh, there was a mistake.
[21:48] Man
That person isn't Kohei Tanaka.
[21:52] Man
He's not a killer either.
[21:54] Man
He's Kahei Tanaka, a good citizen
who helped catch a shoplifter.
[21:59] Man
He crashed into a store window when he
caught the shoplifter, and hurt himself.
[22:04] Man
so we brought him to the
station to get treatment,
[22:06] Man
but there was a mix-up since
his name was similar.
[22:10] Man
I'm really sorry about this.
[22:12] Man
I'll bring the real Kohei now.
[22:15] Hijikata
Combine the carrot with the stick...
[22:17] Kondo
My katsudon is starting to spoil...
[22:18] Yamazaki
Mr. Akimoto works so hard...
[22:18] Okita
He was just a smiling nice person...
[22:21] All
What the hell is this?!
SIGN
[24:00] Kagura
Uh, Eli, was that how you always looked?
[24:04] Kagura
Was that how you always were?
[24:05] Katsura
The next episode...
[24:06] Katsura
"It's What's On The Inside That Counts."
[24:09] Katsura
Plus another one.
SIGN
SIGN ["It's What's On The Inside That Counts, But Only To A Certain Extent."]
SIGN [Two parts starring the GinTama mascots, Elizabeth and Sadaharu.]
SIGN [Why are the titles similar? You'll find out next week.]
SIGN [See you next time.]
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