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[00:01] Ekoda
Hello, one and all. Ekoda-chan here.
[00:05] Ekoda
If you're wondering how I ended up
looking like I'm on some game show...
[00:09] Ekoda
Well, we'll get to that.
[00:11] Ekoda
Do you believe in the red thread of fate?
SIGN Red
Strings
SIGN Use fashion to change
your fate!
[00:30] Ekoda
Let me see! Let me see!
[00:31] Ekoda
Where the hell is it?!
[00:35] Clerk
Here you go!
[00:37] Ekoda
Um... This one!
[00:44] Ekoda
I'm gonna settle that
old vendetta... with interest!
[00:56] Ekoda
Olé!
[01:01] Ekoda
Hello, sorry for the wait—
[01:04] Ekoda
S-Stop—
[01:08] Bird
D'ya think you could try expressing
joy with your entire body?
[01:13] Ekoda
I won't be beaten!
[01:18] Ekoda
Everywhere I look...
[01:23] Ekoda
...there are tangles of string!
[01:33] Ekoda
Okay.
[01:38] Ekoda
Excuse me!
[01:47] Ekoda
Excuse me—
[02:01] Ekoda
Keep away! Keep away!
[02:12] Sis
'Sup.
[02:14] Ekoda
Sis! Mom!
[02:21] Ekoda
Wait, no! Hold off a sec!
[02:24] Ekoda
Stop! Stop!
[02:25] Ekoda
Stop!
[02:41] Sis
Here you go.
[02:42] Sis
I got plenty, so you can have one.
[02:45] Ekoda
And on that day, Ekoda-chan realized
her familial bonds felt more real to her
[02:49] Ekoda
than any kind of fated
connection she might have.
SIGN Rinshi!!
SIGN Ekoda-chan
SIGN Rinshi!!
SIGN Ekoda-chan
SIGN Rinshi!!
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SIGN Rinshi!!
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[03:33] Narrator
They say that ten different people
produce ten different versions.
SIGN Ten Versions
SIGN Ten People
[03:37] Narrator
But what if there were new Ekoda-chans?
SIGN Sugii
Gisaburo
SIGN Takahashi
Ryosuke
SIGN Daichi Akitaro
SIGN Mochizuki
Tomomi
SIGN Misawa Shin
SIGN Takahashi Takeo
SIGN Yonetani
Yoshitomo
SIGN Kobayashi
Osamu
SIGN Kojima
Masayuki
SIGN Shigino Akira
SIGN Nagahama Hiroshi
SIGN Morimoto Koji
SIGN 12 Women
SIGN 12 Versions!?
[03:43] Narrator
12 women, 12 versions?!
SIGN Over the course of the next 12 episodes of the anime "Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan,"
we'll be checking in with the directors of each episode, and the voice
actress portraying Ekoda-chan!!
[03:46] Narrator
Over the course of the next 12 episodes
of the anime "Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan,"
[03:49] Narrator
we'll be checking in with
the directors of each episode,
[03:52] Narrator
and the voice actress
portraying Ekoda-chan.
[03:54] Narrator
Today, we're unveiling the
director of Episode 7: Misawa Shin,
SIGN Director
SIGN Misawa Shin
[03:59] Narrator
and Ekoda-chan's VA: Doi Mika-san.
SIGN Playing Ekoda-chan
SIGN Doi Mika
[04:01] Narrator
We'll hear how attention to detail
can drag out the production process,
SIGN Episode 7's Ekoda-chan
SIGN Doi Mika
SIGN Episode 7's Director
SIGN Misawa Shin
[04:05] Narrator
and about the core nature
and appeal of Ekoda-chan!
[04:10] Narrator
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan" special feature:
The Director and Ekoda-chan's Naked Chat!
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-Chan
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN Naked Chat
SIGN Naked Chat
SIGN Naked Chat
[04:16] Narrator
We're baring all for you!
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[04:18] Kataoka
We'll start with the introductions.
If you'd like to go first, Director.
SIGN Rinshi!!
Ekoda-Chan:
The Director
and
Ekoda-chan's
Naked
Chat
SIGN Misawa Shin x Doi Mika
[04:20] Shin
Sure.
[04:21] Shin
I'm the director of this episode.
My name is Misawa.
SIGN Episode 7's Director
Misawa Shin
[04:25] Shin
Yep.
[04:26] Doi
Right.
[04:27] Doi
I'm playing Ekoda-chan this time
around. My name is Doi Mika.
SIGN Episode 7's Ekoda-chan
Doi Mika
[04:31] Doi
Good work, everyone.
[04:33] Doi
Good work today.
SIGN What project did you two first meet on?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[04:34] Kataoka
Your first project...
[04:36] Shin
It was "Sasuga no Sarutobi."
[04:38] Doi
Right, it was.
[04:39] Shin
That was actually the first
time we'd worked together.
[04:42] Shin
Well, personally, y'know... well...
SIGN Project/Production
Manager
Kataoka Yoshiro
[04:48] Shin
That was my first
official animation credit.
[04:51] Doi
Oh, was it really?
[04:53] Doi
I see. I remember we recorded
that over near the Tokyo Tower.
[04:55] Shin
Right.
[04:57] Kataoka
The one near the temple?
[04:58] Doi
Right, exactly.
[04:59] Doi
A lot of things appeared in that studio.
[05:02] Shin
Really?
[05:03] Doi
Yeah, all the time.
[05:04] Kataoka
Do you remember your impressions
of each other back then?
SIGN Impressions at the time?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[05:07] Shin
Well, I thought Doi-san was...
[05:13] Shin
I mean, the role was a spy, right?
[05:15] Shin
A spy who was a high school student.
[05:17] Doi
I think on "Sasuga no Sarutobi,"
I actually did three. Three different roles.
[05:22] Shin
Oh, you played multiple characters?
[05:23] Doi
Right.
[05:25] Doi
Yeah.
[05:26] Shin
I thought she had an interesting voice.
[05:29] Doi
Really?
SIGN Thoughts now you've finished recording?
[05:32] Shin
Well... and this is part
of the process every time,
[05:34] Shin
but seeing it gradually
take shape is so much fun.
[05:39] Shin
That's probably the reason I've been
doing this for as long as I have.
[05:44] Shin
And I remember thinking how weird it was
[05:49] Shin
that this title was published in a men's
magazine. It's about a woman, after all.
[05:55] Shin
And when Kataoka-san asked me
to work on the anime...
[06:01] Shin
Well, I... was a bit unsure at
first how exactly to go about it.
[06:09] Shin
But after working
through it for a good while,
[06:14] Shin
here we are, recording the lines today.
[06:17] Shin
That's how it ended up.
[06:18] Kataoka
A lot of people are relieved once
the voice-over work is done.
SIGN Something that you found relieving after the recording.
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[06:21] Shin
Well...
[06:21] Kataoka
Like, "That's one big hurdle down."
[06:24] Shin
I guess you could say it's one
element that's now set in stone.
[06:27] Shin
But I don't feel like I can
just relax now it's done,
[06:29] Shin
because there's still plenty to do.
[06:31] Shin
This feels like more of a midway point.
[06:34] Doi
Lots left to sort out.
[06:35] Shin
But getting Doi-san into
the studio was kind of...
[06:41] Shin
It feels like it's starting to take shape.
[06:43] Shin
Not literally sculpting,
[06:43] Doi
I see.
[06:45] Shin
but like that feeling you get
[06:47] Shin
when clay starts looking
like what it's meant to be.
[06:50] Kataoka
What's your take on it after coming
out of the recording session, Doi-san?
SIGN Doi-san's thoughts now the V.O. session has wrapped up?
[06:54] Doi
I thought it was a lot of fun, really.
[06:57] Doi
I mean... When I got the role,
and started working on it,
[07:02] Doi
I was a bit like,
"Am I the right person for this?"
[07:05] Doi
I was nervous and kinda anxious,
[07:09] Doi
but today... it really felt like
I could just do whatever I wanted.
[07:14] Doi
And because of that, I'm left thinking:
"That was fun. I want to do more."
[07:19] Doi
I mean, especially since the part
I did today was a dream sequence.
[07:25] Doi
So it felt a bit like...
I could go wild with it.
[07:28] Doi
What I mean is, that's how it felt.
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Was it "anything goes" today?
[07:30] Doi
I know the director might have
[07:31] Shin
No, you're right, actually.
[07:32] Doi
a thing or two to say about that...
[07:35] Doi
But it felt to me like,
"Well, it's a dream, yeah?"
[07:39] Doi
"So does that mean I can just go
completely over the top with it?"
[07:46] Kataoka
Was it different from the image
you had in your head?
[07:49] Kataoka
In terms of the direction,
or how the art ended up looking.
SIGN The difference between the impression she got from the manga,
from the script and while doing the recording
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[07:54] Doi
I think so. I got the impression
she was more laid-back.
[07:58] Doi
At least, that's what I took away
from the manga when I read it.
[08:02] Doi
But this went at a hell of a pace!
[08:04] Doi
The tempo was really something,
[08:07] Doi
so it felt like I didn't have time
to worry about much, you know?
[08:11] Doi
Instead of having time to think, "Well, maybe
it should be like this," or, "I'll try it like that"...
[08:17] Doi
That tends to be what
I think when I read something,
[08:19] Doi
but there wasn't any time to consider
those things on a per-scene basis,
[08:24] Doi
so instead, it felt like
someone just went: "Go!"
[08:28] Doi
"Let's get this done!" was the general mood.
[08:31] Kataoka
The part where she cuts the
screen in half with a katana...
SIGN The scene where she cuts the screen in half with a katana
[08:36] Doi
Oh, that bit!
[08:36] Kataoka
I really enjoyed that bit.
Where did you get the idea?
[08:40] Shin
Well, I love the art of the original manga...
[08:44] Shin
And I kind of approached it in
a somewhat unrestricted sort of way,
[08:48] Shin
but since this is ultimately an adaptation
of something that already exists...
[08:53] Shin
I wanted to include the bit where
[08:55] Shin
she literally dispatches the verbal abuse.
[08:55] Doi
That was so therapeutic!
[08:57] Doi
Seeing her just slice through it.
[08:58] Shin
Right.
[08:59] Kataoka
Oh, I remember that now.
[09:01] Doi
I was a little worried I'd overdone it there.
[09:03] Shin
Oh, no, it was great.
[09:04] Doi
That it might be considered
a little too unfeminine.
[09:07] Kataoka
Was there anything
in your performance,
[09:09] Kataoka
like what you just mentioned,
that you were concerned about?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Things she was concerned of when portraying Ekoda-chan
[09:12] Doi
Well, I had my impressions of her
from reading the manga,
[09:14] Doi
and my own take on how I wanted to do things,
[09:18] Doi
but normally, I like to keep all that inside...
Sorta just shove it all down, y'know?
[09:21] Doi
To not over-think that kind of
thing when I'm actually performing,
[09:26] Doi
and instead, focus more on... acting in
the moment, as the situation dictates.
[09:31] Doi
So I don't like to worry
about extraneous stuff,
[09:35] Doi
or drag a lot of baggage into a read,
[09:39] Doi
and instead, just kinda go
out there and get it done.
[09:42] Kataoka
And how did that work for you, Director?
[09:46] Shin
Oh, I thought it was great. Very much so.
[09:49] Shin
Yeah.
[09:51] Kataoka
She hit all the right notes.
[09:51] Shin
Yeah, she did.
[09:52] Doi
I see.
[09:53] Shin
Well, with this project, you
only have three minutes to fill...
[09:59] Shin
So I thought of it in terms
of cramming in as much as I could.
[10:03] Shin
There was honestly a chance
that the emotional tone
[10:07] Shin
might shift with every scene change,
[10:08] Doi
Right.
[10:09] Shin
and I apologize if it was all over the place.
[10:10] Doi
Oh, no, I think...
[10:11] Doi
In the end, that made it better.
[10:14] Shin
That's good to hear.
[10:14] Doi
Better for me, specifically. I enjoyed it.
[10:16] Shin
Thank you.
[10:16] Doi
I'm glad it forced me to just go with it,
[10:18] Doi
instead of over-thinking.
[10:19] Kataoka
Was it a lot of work getting
the run-time down to three minutes?
SIGN The difficulties of a three-minute run-time
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[10:23] Shin
I think so. Well...
[10:25] Shin
If a ton of effort went
into the animation,
[10:28] Shin
I think you could do three
minutes with just a single cut.
[10:32] Shin
But that doesn't always work.
What I wanted to convey
[10:35] Shin
couldn't be done purely
through dialogue, for instance.
[10:39] Shin
When you try to convey
something through film,
[10:42] Shin
I personally think there needs to be
a certain amount of visual storytelling.
[10:47] Shin
And I think that's part of the reason why
there ended up being so many cuts.
[10:51] Kataoka
I think... it might be the most.
SIGN Out of all 12 episodes, this episode contains the most cuts
[10:52] Shin
I wouldn't be surprised.
[10:54] Shin
A few people who've already seen it
have asked me: "Isn't this a bit much?"
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
SIGN The Director and
Ekoda -chan's
Naked Chat
SIGN Episode 7's Ekoda-chan
SIGN Doi Mika
SIGN Episode 7's Director
SIGN Misawa Shin
SIGN Rinshi!!
Ekoda-Chan:
The Director
and
Ekoda-chan's
Naked
Chat
[11:06] Narrator
In the first half, we discussed the trials
of the production process and the recording.
[11:11] Narrator
In the second half, we'll hear about
Director Misawa's creative focus.
[11:15] Narrator
Is his office filled with yarn?
And is his head in the clouds?
[11:19] Narrator
Just what is going on behind the scenes?
SIGN Behind the scenes stories
from Episode 7 of the
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan" anime
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[11:26] Kataoka
When I asked you to work on Ekoda-chan,
SIGN What were your reasons for accepting the job?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Misawa Shin x Doi Mika
[11:30] Kataoka
was there anything in particular that
made you want to take me up on my offer?
[11:37] Shin
Well, when I looked at the
11 other directors you'd lined up,
[11:43] Shin
all I could really think about was,
"What am I going to do?"
[11:47] Shin
But looking beyond that, well...
[11:51] Shin
I just focused on what I thought
would be interesting to do.
[11:56] Shin
I'm personally... not that much of an artist,
[12:02] Shin
so it's not like... I've got some
incredible talent for animation...
[12:10] Kataoka
I wouldn't say that at all.
[12:11] Shin
But I thought art like
this might be interesting.
[12:17] Shin
Plus, this time, I had the dream
concept from the outset.
[12:22] Shin
And the threads came into it
later on in the process.
[12:26] Shin
So after coming up with a
few different takes on her dream,
[12:29] Shin
I started to think I might
not be able to handle it,
[12:32] Shin
but that was when the
threads arrived on the scene,
[12:35] Shin
and I decided to expand on that.
[12:38] Shin
That's when I started thinking I could do it.
[12:40] Shin
As for Ekoda-chan's actual story,
[12:43] Shin
and I feel a bit guilty for doing
this to Takinami-sensei,
[12:46] Shin
but I ended up just
borrowing her characters,
[12:48] Shin
and doing the story of
one of Ekoda-chan's dreams.
[12:53] Shin
And I wanted it to be a story where
Ekoda-chan kind of panics inside her dream.
[13:00] Doi
The way she awakes with a jerk,
[13:03] Doi
and then, checks her man's
hand for the red thread
[13:07] Doi
to see if it's connected to her own finger,
[13:11] Doi
and she reacts like, "Where is it?!"
[13:14] Doi
Something about that was really cute.
[13:18] Doi
It made me realize how adorable she is.
[13:21] Shin
Maa-kun spent the entire episode asleep.
[13:23] Doi
That's right. No lines for Maa-kun.
[13:26] Doi
But she really does love him, doesn't she?
[13:29] Doi
Seriously.
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Ekoda-chan loves Maa-kun
[13:30] Kataoka
It makes you realize
[13:31] Kataoka
that's one way people can fall in love.
[13:32] Doi
Right.
[13:33] Shin
Yeah.
[13:34] Kataoka
That part of her is really sincere.
[13:37] Kataoka
Compared to how she's usually
more ambivalent about things.
[13:40] Kataoka
But when it comes to Maa-kun,
she feels something really pure.
[13:47] Kataoka
It makes me think, "That's the
core of Ekoda-chan's nature!"
[13:51] Kataoka
The thing with it being a dream sequence is,
since it's not happening in reality,
[13:55] Kataoka
you can kind of do anything, including
with the performance like she mentioned.
[13:59] Kataoka
But how exactly did you come up with
the idea of using a dream sequence?
[14:02] Shin
To be honest, this is what my dreams are like.
SIGN Why did the dream end up the way it did?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[14:07] Shin
All my dreams are super realistic,
[14:10] Shin
and I have trouble telling if I'm really
experiencing something or dreaming.
[14:17] Shin
And even when I can tell that I'm dreaming...
that it's all just a dream... well...
[14:25] Shin
I have no idea what's inspired the
things I'm seeing in that dream.
[14:31] Shin
So, when you ask me how
this story ended up like this,
[14:34] Shin
ultimately... it's because my own
dreams are a bit like what you see here.
[14:42] Kataoka
Regarding the ending to Misawa-san's episode,
[14:45] Doi
Right.
[14:46] Kataoka
it's totally different from
[14:48] Kataoka
what the other directors did,
which I think is great.
[14:51] Kataoka
How'd you come up with that ending?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN How did he come up with the ending?
[14:55] Shin
Well, the strings all are
connected to something, right?
[14:58] Shin
And then, there's the idea of how,
with the internet, everyone is connected.
[15:04] Shin
So there's this element, I think,
[15:07] Shin
where people are shocked whenever
they feel like they're disconnected,
[15:11] Shin
and even for Ekoda-chan,
who likes her freedom,
[15:13] Shin
she still wants to be connected to someone.
[15:17] Shin
I think her realizing that
is what leads to that ending.
[15:22] Kataoka
The way that her mom and
sister show up at that point...
[15:30] Doi
Family, right?
[15:30] Kataoka
Right.
[15:31] Shin
In the end, they're all you really have.
[15:36] Kataoka
I think that...
[15:38] Kataoka
Something I've realized is,
her sister has a lot of fans.
[15:44] Shin
Yeah. I honestly wanted to draw her some more!
[15:46] Kataoka
I see.
SIGN The secrets to
Director Misawa's
methods
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[15:54] Shin
Well, when it comes to things
I struggled with, or focused on a lot...
SIGN Was there anything
production-wise that gave you issues?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Misawa Shin x Doi Mika
[15:59] Shin
I think since the threads are
a core element of the story...
[16:04] Shin
See, with the strings, when we used
to actually photograph animation,
[16:09] Shin
I think we would've placed
actual strings in the scene,
[16:12] Shin
along with the background
and the animation cels...
[16:16] Shin
But since everything's digital
now, there's nothing tactile.
[16:22] Shin
So instead, I created a
digital image of the string,
[16:25] Shin
and then, along with the
footage, made a composite.
[16:28] Shin
And the thing is...
[16:29] Shin
I had to change how it was arranged
for every cut, or it wouldn't have worked.
[16:33] Shin
It's not like I could use one
sample and work with just that.
[16:38] Shin
So I had to keep messing with it
and altering it for each scene change.
[16:44] Kataoka
And the thing about Misawa-san is,
he handles materials like that personally.
[16:48] Doi
Right.
SIGN Director Misawa's personal approach
to adding in mixed media material
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[16:49] Kataoka
So he then creates the digital version,
[16:51] Kataoka
and composites it into
the digital footage....
[16:53] Kataoka
Inserting it into the actual
animation, in other words.
[16:56] Kataoka
And he does all of that by himself.
[16:58] Doi
Wow. By himself?
[17:00] Kataoka
That's something about
Misawa-san's approach to animation...
[17:04] Kataoka
When he does things the hard way, he takes
it upon himself to do the work needed.
[17:09] Shin
I guess so.
[17:10] Shin
I mean, that's a habit
I've had since the cel days.
[17:13] Shin
If I had an elaborate, multi-layered kimono,
[17:15] Doi
Right.
[17:16] Shin
I'd buy decorative paper and lay it out.
[17:18] Doi
Twelve separate pieces...
[17:18] Shin
And that'd put a lot of space
[17:20] Shin
between the cel and the background.
[17:21] Doi
Right.
[17:22] Shin
So I'd get calls from the filming
department, saying, "This isn't working."
[17:26] Shin
But even with people
getting mad at me like that,
[17:29] Shin
that's the kind of director I became.
[17:30] Doi
In spite of it all!
[17:31] Kataoka
The scene where she's drowning in
the sea, and her head pops back up...
[17:36] Shin
Right.
[17:37] Kataoka
It's a sea of yarn.
[17:38] Shin
Right. I'm going to work on
the effect for ripples next.
[17:41] Kataoka
Ripples in the string?
[17:42] Shin
Yeah.
[17:43] Kataoka
Like waves.
[17:44] Shin
It kind of makes me think that
actually setting it up analog style
[17:49] Shin
would've been less work all around.
[17:51] Kataoka
Really?
[17:52] Kataoka
I think you'd end up
drowning in yarn yourself.
[17:55] Doi
You said earlier
[17:56] Doi
your house was filled with yarn...
[17:57] Shin
Right.
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Director Misawa's office is full of yarn
[17:58] Shin
Well, less my house, more my office.
[18:00] Shin
I've got a ton of yarn
everywhere at the moment.
[18:04] Shin
I honestly don't think I've ever interacted
with yarn quite so much before,
[18:09] Shin
and it turns out, different types
are more distinct than you'd think.
[18:12] Shin
Sometimes, certain types refuse to curve the
way you want them to, even if you pin them down,
[18:17] Shin
and I got the feeling that yarn
really has a mind of its own.
[18:23] Shin
So I was thinking, "Please curve the right way!"
while I was setting up all the strands.
[18:28] Shin
One thing I'm having trouble
with right now are the clouds.
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN The problems he's had depicting clouds
[18:33] Shin
I don't like to spend a lot of money,
[18:36] Shin
so I went to a local futon store...
[18:36] Doi
Right.
[18:38] Doi
Right.
[18:40] Doi
For cotton?
[18:41] Shin
I'd ask them, "What do you think of this?"
And I get the feeling the staff there...
[18:45] Shin
think I work in theater or something.
[18:48] Shin
I actually told them I work in anime,
[18:49] Shin
but conversations we have
just end up in theater talk.
[18:52] Shin
So they made various recommendations
for what would work as clouds,
[18:58] Shin
but I'm having a bit of trouble
trying to make them look right.
[19:03] Shin
Whenever I try to use a scanner,
the material ends up
[19:06] Shin
getting squished and looking all wrong.
[19:07] Doi
That makes sense.
[19:09] Doi
It wouldn't have the right volume.
[19:09] Shin
It basically just gets flattened.
[19:11] Shin
But when I take pictures with a camera,
it just looks like a piece of cotton.
[19:15] Shin
I'm having trouble nailing down
[19:17] Shin
the exact details at the moment.
[19:19] Doi
I like that.
[19:20] Doi
I like how you're still very particular,
so you're searching for a solution.
[19:24] Shin
I'm not sure if it's actually a good idea...
[19:25] Doi
Something to look forward to...
[19:27] Kataoka
I've worked with Director Misawa
[19:27] Doi
To see how it turns out.
[19:30] Kataoka
a few times in the past,
[19:32] Kataoka
and his animation always has
this handcrafted feel to it.
[19:36] Kataoka
And I'm all for that, because I feel
it gives the work a kind of warmth.
SIGN The depths of Ekoda-chan
as a character
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[19:45] Doi
Well, at first, it struck me how she'd
just come out and say all these things...
SIGN Do you have anything in common with Ekoda-chan?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
SIGN Misawa Shin x Doi Mika
[19:54] Doi
I thought she was really sharp
with all these retorts.
[19:57] Kataoka
Right.
[19:57] Doi
But when I read a bit more,
I realized she's not actually saying them.
[20:02] Doi
She's just thinking them.
[20:04] Doi
And I think that, really, all women...
[20:07] Doi
And to be honest, all men do it, too...
[20:11] Doi
The difference between the choice of
words you use when talking to someone,
[20:15] Doi
and what's actually going through
your head is pronounced.
[20:18] Doi
Like, she might be thinking
something pretty inflammatory,
[20:22] Doi
and when I have those moments, too,
[20:23] Doi
it makes me realize that me and
Ekoda-chan aren't so different, after all.
[20:30] Doi
I mean, you always hear about
women reading it and going:
[20:33] Doi
"Oh, I'm definitely like this!"
in regards to certain parts.
[20:37] Doi
That's how it really felt.
[20:39] Kataoka
Misawa-san.
[20:40] Shin
Well...
[20:42] Shin
I definitely get the desire
to make snarky comments,
[20:48] Shin
so I always find it most interesting when
she does actually come out and say them.
[20:53] Kataoka
If you could sum up Ekoda
or her appeal in a few words...
[20:57] Kataoka
Keeping it short, how would you describe her?
[20:59] Doi
I think that, with all her cute traits,
SIGN How would you sum up Ekoda-chan?
SIGN Misawa
Shin
[21:03] Doi
she's kind of got this
old-fashioned feel to her.
[21:08] Doi
That's how she seems to me.
[21:11] Shin
To sum her up... I guess
she lives according to her whims?
[21:18] Shin
I mean... she might lie to herself,
in one way or another,
[21:24] Shin
but when she does, it's for the
sake of pursuing what she wants,
[21:28] Shin
so I really get the feeling that
she's just living life the way she wants to.
[21:33] Shin
Something Doi-san said...
[21:34] Shin
about how we think up snappy
remarks we don't say out loud.
[21:37] Doi
I know I do!
[21:39] Shin
Whether it's on the train, or wherever...
[21:43] Shin
When there are things that strike you as odd...
I think we all have those thoughts.
[21:47] Shin
So I think, in the case of Ekoda-chan,
[21:49] Shin
her saying those things
is an expression of that.
[21:52] Shin
I think she might be a way of
Yukari-sensei sharing how she feels.
[22:00] Doi
That makes sense.
[22:01] Kataoka
Would you go out with her?
[22:03] Shin
Oh, if she'd have me, then sure. Of course.
[22:06] Kataoka
That's a yes.
[22:07] Shin
Yeah.
[22:08] Narrator
That's it for today's discussion.
SIGN Next Episode Preview
[22:12] Narrator
Next time on "The Director
and Ekoda-chan's Naked Chat,"
[22:15] Narrator
we have the director of Episode 8,
who has a very particular style,
SIGN Director
SIGN Ekoda-chan's
VA
SIGN Director
[22:19] Narrator
and someone we seem to have met before?
[22:21] Narrator
A voice actress who looks
a bit like Ekoda-chan
SIGN Ekoda-chan's
VA
[22:23] Narrator
discusses how she seems to the world.
SIGN Ekoda-chan's
VA
SIGN Director
[22:28] Narrator
Look forward to it!
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
SIGN The Director and Ekoda -chan's
SIGN Naked Chat
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
SIGN Until she's ready
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
Until she's ready
SIGN Ekoda-chan
SIGN Boa
SIGN Face
SIGN Pole
SIGN Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
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