# E4
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**[00:00] ---**
The Novice Bunny
**[00:01] Ekoda**
Whenever I was on my own in preschool...
**[00:03] Teacher**
You'll have more fun with the others.
**[00:06] Ekoda**
*But I was already having fun...*
**[00:09] Ekoda**
Whenever I went to the
bathroom by myself at school...
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing all by herself?
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing all
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing all by
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing all by her
**[00:12] Bystanders**
What is she doing all by herself
**[00:13] Bystanders**
What is she doing all by herself?
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Does
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't she
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have any
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have any friends?
**[00:13] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have any fr
**[00:14] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have any friends
**[00:14] Bystanders**
Doesn't she have any friends?
**[00:15] Ekoda**
*What a weird thing to assume.*
**[00:18] Ekoda**
And now...
**[00:19] Headline**
Pokomaruko found dead, aged 77
**[00:20] News**
*Well-known celebrity, Pokomaruko-san,
has been found dead at his home.*
**[00:24] Ekoda**
Wait, that's what happens when you die alone?!
**[00:28] Ekoda**
But...
**[00:30] Ekoda**
I get the feeling, if I died right now,
it'd be an even lonelier way to go.
**[00:33] Ma**
Hey, it's me. You awake?
**[00:36] Ekoda**
And then, there's...
**[00:37] Guy**
*Can I come over tonight?*
**[00:39] Girl**
*No...*
**[00:40] Ekoda**
Or maybe this...
**[00:40] Guy**
*Can I...*
**[00:42] Girl**
*No.*
**[00:43] Ekoda**
And after that...
**[00:44] Guy**
*Are you ready?*
**[00:46] Girl**
*No!*
**[00:46] Ekoda**
And such...
**[00:47] Ekoda**
Saying "no" when she really
means "yes." Typical woman.
**[00:51] Ekoda**
But...
**[00:53] Ekoda**
Women will also say "yes"
when they really mean "no."
**[00:57] Ma**
Mind if I head back now?
**[00:59] Ekoda**
Go ahead.
***SIGN*** The Queens of Eros:
***SIGN*** A Frank Discussion!?
***SIGN*** Run
***SIGN*** Eros!
**[01:02] Guest**
*Well, men actually go* inside*
a woman's body, right?*
**[01:07] Guest**
*So I want them to know
who I am on the inside, too.*
**[01:11] Ekoda**
I get you.
**[01:13] Ekoda**
Maa-kun knows me from inside.
From my warm, *living* insides, right?
**[01:18] Ekoda**
And yet...
**[01:19] Ekoda**
It feels like he doesn't
even acknowledge I'm alive!
**[01:24] Ma**
Right now? Yeah, I'm alone.
**[01:31] Ekoda**
A bike lock hanging on a guard rail.
**[01:33] Ekoda**
I see this every now and then,
but I wonder what it signifies?
***SIGN*** Someone stole the bike
**[01:38] Ekoda**
But how?
***SIGN*** The owner left the lock behind
**[01:42] Ekoda**
Why would they do that?
**[01:44] Ekoda**
The more I think about it,
the more it puzzles me.
**[01:47] Ekoda**
I mean...
**[01:48] Ekoda**
For the symbol of wanting to hold on
to be the only thing that's left...
**[01:53] Ekoda**
It's just too much!
**[01:57] Ekoda**
I was chatting to one of Maa-kun's friends...
**[02:00] Friend**
Oh, yeah, he broke up with his girlfriend.
**[02:04] Ekoda**
That's what he told me!
Why didn't you say anything?
**[02:07] Ma**
It's not like it's any of your business.
**[02:10] Ekoda**
None of my business? Seriously?
**[02:13] Ma**
It's not like I said we'd start
dating if I broke up with her.
**[02:17] Ma**
Anyway, there's this other
chick I wanna get with.
**[02:20] Ekoda**
Oh. I'm not even sure how to react to that...
**[02:26] Ekoda**
So how'd it work out with
that girl you wanted to date?
**[02:30] Ma**
Not much to tell. I mean,
you fool around plenty, too, don't you?
**[02:34] Ekoda**
Only because you say you
don't want to be my boyfriend.
**[02:37] Ma**
So it's all my fault?
**[02:39] Ma**
That there is why I don't want to.
**[02:41] Ekoda**
I wasn't always like this, you know!
**[02:43] Ma**
Yeah, you were.
**[02:46] Ekoda**
I can't believe you can just say stuff
like that to me like it's nothing!
**[02:50] Ma**
It's not like I wanted to say it.
**[02:55] Ekoda**
I've become a ghost without even realizing...
**[03:33] Narrator**
They say that ten different people
produce ten different versions.
***SIGN*** Ten Versions
***SIGN*** Ten People
**[03:37] Narrator**
But what if there were new Ekoda-chans?
***SIGN*** Sugii
Gisaburo
***SIGN*** Takahashi
Ryosuke
***SIGN*** Daichi Akitaro
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Misawa Shin
***SIGN*** Takahashi Takeo
***SIGN*** Yonetani
Yoshitomo
***SIGN*** Kobayashi
Osamu
***SIGN*** Kojima
Masayuki
***SIGN*** Shigino Akira
***SIGN*** Nagahama Hiroshi
***SIGN*** Morimoto Koji
***SIGN*** 12 Women
***SIGN*** 12 Versions!?
**[03:43] Narrator**
12 women, 12 versions?!
***SIGN*** Over the course of the next 12 episodes of the anime "Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan,"
we'll be checking in with the directors of each episode, and the voice
actress portraying Ekoda-chan!!
**[03:46] Narrator**
Over the course of the next 12 episodes
of the anime "Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan,"
**[03:49] Narrator**
we'll be checking in with
the directors of each episode,
**[03:52] Narrator**
and the voice actress portraying Ekoda-chan.
**[03:53] Narrator**
Today, we unveil the director
of Episode 4: Mochizuki Tomomi,
***SIGN*** Director
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi
**[03:59] Narrator**
and Ekoda-chan's VA: Chiba Chiemi-san.
***SIGN*** Playing Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** Chiba Chiemi
**[04:02] Narrator**
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan" is the second
project they've worked on together.
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** Chiba Chiemi
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Director
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi
**[04:06] Narrator**
They'll be asking each other
some rather frank questions.
**[04:09] Narrator**
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan" special feature:
The Director and Ekoda-chan's Naked Chat!
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-Chan
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** Naked Chat
***SIGN*** Naked Chat
***SIGN*** Naked Chat
**[04:15] Narrator**
We're baring all for you!
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
**[04:17] Chiba**
The first time was on "Rozen Maiden."
***SIGN*** This is the second time Director Mochizuki and Chiba-san
have worked together
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi x Chiba Chiemi
***SIGN*** Rinshi!!
Ekoda-Chan:
The Director
and
Ekoda-chan's
Naked
Chat
**[04:19] Tomo**
Oh, right, right.
**[04:20] Chiba**
Yeah. We worked together on that.
**[04:24] Chiba**
When I was auditioning for
"Rozen Maiden," He was there...
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Director
Mochizuki Tomomi
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Ekoda-san
Chiba Chiemi
**[04:29] Chiba**
And when you've done your reading,
**[04:32] Chiba**
you go to the other side of the glass and say,
"Thank you for the opportunity," right?
**[04:35] Chiba**
And when I was auditioning,
**[04:36] Chiba**
this guy had his whole body weight up
against the glass, glaring.
**[04:39] Chiba**
But I didn't really know who he was,
**[04:41] Chiba**
so I was just like, "Wow, that guy's really
glaring at me," and then, went home.
**[04:45] Chiba**
And then, after that...
The next day, I got the call,
**[04:50] Chiba**
and found out he was the sound director.
**[04:52] Chiba**
And I realized, "Oh, that
was the sound director!"
**[04:54] Tomo**
Sorry for glaring...
**[04:56] Chiba**
That was some crazy leaning
you were doing, too.
**[04:59] Tomo**
On "Rozen Maiden,"
**[05:01] Tomo**
I didn't direct the actual episodes.
I was the sound director at the time.
**[05:07] Tomo**
Yeah, I was at your audition, and that's
where I saw you and wanted to cast you.
**[05:11] Chiba**
Oh, thank you.
**[05:12] Tomo**
Well, from what I'd read
of the Ekoda-chan manga,
***SIGN*** Why Chiba-san was offered the role of Ekoda-chan
**[05:19] Tomo**
she was a bit of an enigma,
and hard to understand,
**[05:24] Tomo**
and I thought Chiba-san would be a good fit.
**[05:28] Tomo**
I thought she'd be good at
accentuating that side of Ekoda-chan.
**[05:33] Chiba**
Thank you very much.
**[05:35] Chiba**
When I read it, I found it kinda complex.
***SIGN*** Impressions of Ekoda-chan
**[05:40] Chiba**
Seriously, it was just so complex...
**[05:43] Chiba**
So much so that, when I came
into the studio today, I was like:
**[05:48] Chiba**
"What do I do?"
**[05:50] Chiba**
I mean, she's a really
complicated girl, isn't she?
**[05:54] Chiba**
I mean, I never know what's gonna set her off.
***SIGN*** Project/Production
Manager
Kataoka Yoshiro
**[06:00] Chiba**
Because she's drifting through life,
seeming all disinterested,
**[06:05] Chiba**
and you think, maybe that's how she likes it,
**[06:10] Chiba**
but there's this ill-defined line
she crosses emotionally sometimes.
**[06:15] Chiba**
And she's got this sorta... scary side to her,
**[06:19] Chiba**
where you don't know what she's
gonna do when she finally blows.
**[06:23] Chiba**
That actually makes me
really curious about something.
**[06:26] Chiba**
As a man... when you look at Ekoda-chan...
**[06:32] Chiba**
Would you?
***SIGN*** Looking at Ekoda-chan as a man... would you?
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
**[06:35] Tomo**
Well, I dunno if this is my opinion as a man...
**[06:38] Chiba**
Right.
**[06:39] Chiba**
You're not a man?
**[06:39] Tomo**
But for me, personally...
**[06:41] Tomo**
No, no, I didn't mean that.
I mean, speaking just for myself...
**[06:45] Tomo**
I would.
**[06:46] Chiba**
You would?
**[06:47] Tomo**
I think, if Ekoda-chan was a real person,
***SIGN*** Director Mochizuki would, with Ekoda-chan
**[06:50] Tomo**
she'd look sort of plain, I guess.
**[06:54] Tomo**
If you contrast her to the "birds of prey"
that also appear in the manga,
**[06:59] Tomo**
Ekoda-chan doesn't go out of her
way to make herself look cute.
**[07:05] Tomo**
And she's sort of got
this edge to her, you know?
**[07:08] Tomo**
Simply put, both of those
traits make her my type.
**[07:12] Chiba**
I see.
**[07:13] Tomo**
Right.
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Behind the scenes stories
from Episode 4 of the
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan" anime
**[07:19] Tomo**
Well, my usual job is making the
animation. That's what I normally do.
***SIGN*** From your perspective, did you feel like Chiba-san's reading
perfectly matched the animation?
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi x Chiba Chiemi
**[07:25] Tomo**
But for Ekoda-chan, as the voice track
got added, along with all the other audio,
**[07:33] Tomo**
I wasn't exactly sure how
it would affect her character.
**[07:39] Tomo**
Maybe not so much that
I didn't know but more like,
**[07:42] Tomo**
there were a lot of different
ways it could've gone.
**[07:45] Tomo**
I didn't have any particular preference
for how I wanted the role to be performed.
**[07:53] Tomo**
And in general, I don't
tend to go into recordings
**[07:56] Tomo**
with a lot of preconceived notions
on how I think something should sound.
**[07:59] Tomo**
I figured Chiba-san could
just do her own thing.
**[08:01] Tomo**
Sorry if that sounds dismissive,
**[08:03] Tomo**
but I'm saying it was your choice because
you played the lead this time.
**[08:07] Tomo**
And I thought you'd come up
with something that'd make me go:
**[08:11] Tomo**
"I get it now! That's how it can work!"
**[08:14] Tomo**
And as long as the result was satisfying,
**[08:16] Tomo**
that was the main thing.
**[08:17] Chiba**
And was it?
**[08:18] Tomo**
Yes, it was.
**[08:18] Chiba**
Oh, phew.
**[08:20] Chiba**
Going in, I kept thinking, "What should I do?"
and I didn't know how to approach voicing her,
***SIGN*** What directions
did Director Mochizuki give you?
**[08:28] Chiba**
even after looking through the script,
**[08:33] Chiba**
because she doesn't really do flirty,
**[08:35] Chiba**
and she doesn't put on a cutesy voice
when she's around him, either.
**[08:40] Chiba**
And I understood all of this,
but it made it really challenging for me,
**[08:46] Chiba**
so I was panicking a bit going into it!
**[08:50] Chiba**
But when I got here, just before we started,
**[08:55] Chiba**
I said, "I'm not sure what to do.
This is really hard."
**[08:59] Chiba**
So he gave me a broad outline,
**[09:03] Chiba**
reiterating the things I'd also
got from reading the manga...
**[09:07] Chiba**
But after that, regarding
the performance itself?
**[09:13] Chiba**
It went along the lines of: "Don't be tense.
Just go with whatever's natural."
**[09:18] Chiba**
And I was like, "Okay, then."
**[09:20] Tomo**
For this show, there wasn't, uh,
what you'd call an audition process.
**[09:27] Tomo**
So I left her in your hands.
**[09:30] Tomo**
And if anything sounded weird,
then it'd just be your fault.
**[09:38] Chiba**
I'm sorry!
**[09:38] Tomo**
That was how I felt going into it, anyway.
**[09:42] Tomo**
But I picked you for the role because
I didn't think there'd be any problems. Yeah.
**[09:47] Tomo**
There were gradations used for her skin.
***SIGN*** Coloring techniques
**[09:52] Tomo**
That was something fresh.
**[09:55] Tomo**
With animation, you normally draw a line
where the color changes to indicate shading,
**[09:59] Tomo**
but this time, we made the edges
slightly lighter, using a gradation.
**[10:03] Chiba**
And that was special.
**[10:05] Tomo**
We only did it for skin tones.
**[10:05] Tomo**
For this time.
**[10:07] Tomo**
The coloring for everything
else was done a bit more flatly.
**[10:10] Tomo**
But by doing that with the skin,
**[10:12] Tomo**
it gave it more of a physical,
maybe even visceral, presence.
**[10:15] Tomo**
I didn't want it to look too flat, because
it'd look too comical for the material.
**[10:19] Chiba**
I see. Having to consider
all of that stuff must be tough.
**[10:23] Tomo**
It's actually something that,
because of how short the run-time is...
**[10:27] Chiba**
It made it possible?
**[10:28] Tomo**
Right. The short run-time allowed us to
try something unique with the coloring.
**[10:34] Tomo**
Something like that would be too much
work on a full-length TV series.
**[10:37] Tomo**
We also used lots of instruments
to make the sound effects.
***SIGN*** Things you can do with the shorter format
**[10:40] Tomo**
Since it was so short, that was
something we could play with.
**[10:43] Chiba**
I can see how making all those noises would
become a chore for a 30-minute show.
**[10:47] Tomo**
Exactly.
**[10:49] Tomo**
That's why traditional sound effects
tend to get used most of the time.
**[10:53] Tomo**
But since this was short, I thought we could
try something a little out of the ordinary.
**[10:59] Chiba**
When I saw the art in motion...
When I saw that...
***SIGN*** Touches used in portraying Ekoda-chan
**[11:04] Chiba**
I noticed she doesn't really move
a whole lot, but it's sort of...
**[11:07] Chiba**
I wouldn't call it *expressive*,
in spite of how conservative it is,
**[11:12] Chiba**
but it was really striking how
the art carried you through the story.
**[11:17] Chiba**
I wanted to make sure
I didn't go overboard. Like...
**[11:22] Chiba**
I thought, if I really went for it,
there'd be a disconnect,
**[11:27] Chiba**
so I tried to rein it in a bit.
**[11:30] Chiba**
I mean, it wasn't a hard and fast rule,
but I was trying to sorta be restrained.
**[11:35] Chiba**
Because I think that's
the kind of girl she is,
**[11:40] Chiba**
and the art gave that impression, too.
**[11:42] Kataoka**
Right.
**[11:44] Chiba**
So I didn't want to be too over-the-top.
**[11:48] Chiba**
And that's actually harder to do,
since just shouting things is pretty easy.
**[11:53] Chiba**
And today, there was that promo
we did... That was seriously tough.
**[11:59] Chiba**
I probably shouldn't say that!
**[12:01] Kataoka**
It's fine.
**[12:02] Chiba**
It was quite a challenge.
**[12:04] Chiba**
Compared to just going,
"Ah! It's on sale now!" and cutting loose,
**[12:08] Chiba**
or in this case, "Go watch
it now!" in a loud voice,
**[12:11] Chiba**
it was more like, "You can watch it now."
**[12:16] Chiba**
I can use that momentum and go all out,
**[12:19] Chiba**
but Ekoda-chan isn't like that at all.
**[12:23] Chiba**
She's so very, very restrained but
she still needs to be all, "You can watch it."
**[12:30] Chiba**
So, compared to most
of the characters I've done,
**[12:35] Chiba**
she was a real challenge.
For me, anyway.
**[12:38] Tomo**
But when we went in
and recorded that promo,
**[12:43] Tomo**
it ended up being pretty different
from how you sounded in the episode.
**[12:49] Chiba**
I kinda wanted to make her sound
like she was reading from a script.
***SIGN*** After the break,
thoughts on men!!
**[12:52] Tomo**
I see, I see.
**[12:53] Tomo**
I think the end result gave off a good
"If you want to watch it, then watch it" vibe.
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** The Director and
Ekoda -chan's
Naked Chat
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** Chiba Chiemi
***SIGN*** Episode 4's Director
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi
***SIGN*** Rinshi!!
Ekoda-Chan:
The Director
and
Ekoda-chan's
Naked
Chat
**[13:07] Narrator**
Reunited once more on another project,
**[13:09] Narrator**
Director Mochizuki Tomomi
and Chiba Chiemi-san
**[13:12] Narrator**
spent the first half discussing
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan."
**[13:15] Narrator**
In the second half, they'll discuss
how Ekoda-chan deals with men.
***SIGN*** The characters of
"Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan"
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Strips you would've liked to have adapted other than
the ones already in Episode 4 of "Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan"
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi x Chiba Chiemi
**[13:26] Tomo**
When taking the manga as a whole,
**[13:29] Tomo**
I really like the character of Friend M.
**[13:31] Kataoka**
Right.
**[13:32] Kataoka**
She's a good one.
**[13:32] Tomo**
I like how cool she is,
**[13:34] Tomo**
but in a different way from Ekoda-chan.
**[13:36] Tomo**
When I first got the offer to
work on the anime adaptation,
**[13:42] Tomo**
I actually went through the manga
and marked every strip she appeared in.
**[13:51] Tomo**
There's one in particular where Ekoda-chan
and Friend M go on a group date,
**[13:57] Tomo**
and they start judging the men
like it's some kind of pageant.
**[14:02] Tomo**
But I ended up taking
a different approach,
**[14:05] Tomo**
and decided to center the episode
around Maa-kun instead.
**[14:11] Tomo**
To be honest, all the
characters are really entertaining.
**[14:14] Tomo**
Or rather, they have depth to them.
**[14:17] Chiba**
Speaking as an actress,
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** All the characters are deep
**[14:20] Chiba**
I think her conversations with
her sister are really amusing.
**[14:23] Kataoka**
They really are.
**[14:24] Chiba**
And the way it plays up their different
standings in society is really good.
**[14:29] Chiba**
I mean, her sister is also sort of...
She's a character with her own quirks,
**[14:34] Chiba**
but whenever I saw the two
of them playing off each other,
**[14:40] Chiba**
I always thought those
moments were entertaining.
**[14:45] Tomo**
If you were playing her sister,
how would you make her sound?
**[14:51] Chiba**
Big Sis, huh? Big Sis...
**[14:55] Chiba**
But, y'know, it would really depend...
on how Ekoda-chan sounds.
***SIGN*** A performance can change depending on
how the other person approaches a scene
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
**[15:01] Chiba**
Like, depending on what Maa-kun
does first can really set the tone,
**[15:05] Chiba**
since she's initially
trying to feel him out.
**[15:09] Chiba**
Sort of like, "How's he going to be?
How's he going to be? He's such a natural..."
**[15:14] Chiba**
So I think, if I was playing her sister,
the delivery would change a lot...
**[15:23] Chiba**
based on how the person
playing Ekoda-chan did their take.
**[15:31] Tomo**
I see.
***SIGN*** Do you want to draw her sister?
**[15:33] Tomo**
Personally, I don't think I need to.
**[15:37] Tomo**
I mean, if she shows up in the other
episodes, and they turn out well,
**[15:42] Tomo**
then, yeah, that'd be really great.
**[15:46] Tomo**
But in terms of depicting her
myself, I'd find it really hard.
**[15:49] Tomo**
Because I don't understand her one bit.
**[15:52] Tomo**
I mean, I wouldn't feel right just having
her act stupid and that being the joke,
**[15:58] Tomo**
and because it's complicated,
I'd rather avoid it altogether.
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** What Ekoda-chan
thinks about men
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** On Ekoda-chan's thoughts about men
***SIGN*** Mochizuki Tomomi x Chiba Chiemi
**[16:08] Chiba**
I seriously don't understand her.
**[16:10] Chiba**
How she sort of...
**[16:15] Chiba**
When it comes to men...
And this includes Maa-kun...
**[16:22] Chiba**
I just don't get it!
**[16:25] Kataoka**
You couldn't live like that?
**[16:27] Chiba**
I definitely couldn't! No way.
**[16:30] Tomo**
But seeing how she interacts with men,
and how she looks at them,
**[16:37] Tomo**
and how, internally,
**[16:39] Tomo**
she just finds them ridiculous.
**[16:40] Chiba**
She does tend to mock them a lot.
**[16:43] Tomo**
Isn't that something you can relate to?
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
***SIGN*** Ekoda-chan is the type to keep her catty comments to herself
**[16:46] Chiba**
Yeah, but...
**[16:48] Chiba**
When I think of something
nasty, I blurt it out!
**[16:52] Chiba**
I'll just say it and cause
all sorts of problems.
**[16:55] Chiba**
To me, not actually saying these things,
and just thinking them in a detached way...
**[17:02] Chiba**
That's really impressive.
**[17:04] Kataoka**
You see how often she gets back home
**[17:05] Kataoka**
and just bangs on the wall in frustration.
**[17:06] Chiba**
Right, right.
**[17:07] Kataoka**
You don't have anything like that?
You tend to just bang on them in the moment?
**[17:10] Chiba**
Well, I don't always give them
a piece of my mind in every instance,
**[17:13] Chiba**
because I'm an adult, but...
**[17:15] Tomo**
Putting aside whether or not you
actually express it in the moment,
**[17:19] Tomo**
the way she thinks about men who are
being stupid, and her opinions of them,
**[17:23] Tomo**
I think that's something that's
pretty universal in women.
**[17:31] Tomo**
What do you think?
***SIGN*** Chiba-san's thoughts when she sees guys being stupid
**[17:32] Chiba**
I dunno, I wonder about that, because
that sort of feeling towards men...
***SIGN*** Mochizuki
Tomomi
**[17:38] Chiba**
Y'know, when you're just
like, "Ugh," about them?
**[17:40] Chiba**
I don't think it's all that
different from how you feel
**[17:44] Chiba**
when you see women
that you think are stupid.
**[17:48] Chiba**
I'm not too sure that gender
plays much of a role in it.
**[17:56] Chiba**
Because when I think,
"Ugh," it applies universally.
**[18:00] Chiba**
And I won't bite my tongue when it happens.
**[18:02] Chiba**
And the way that she does,
and keeps everything internal...
**[18:09] Chiba**
It's really mature.
**[18:11] Chiba**
It's impressive. I mean, she's 24.
**[18:13] Chiba**
I think that's seriously impressive.
**[18:14] Kataoka**
Yeah, she's only 24.
**[18:16] Chiba**
I mean, when I was 24,
I was still a total dummy.
**[18:22] Tomo**
I actually think, and
I've never met the author,
**[18:27] Tomo**
but you get the impression Ekoda-chan's
creator is quite impressive herself.
***SIGN*** Being impressed with Takinami Yukari, as a reader
**[18:33] Tomo**
As a reader, it's a manga I learned a lot from.
**[18:39] Tomo**
There's this phrase, and I don't know
if it was used as a slogan or something,
**[18:44] Tomo**
but I remember it being called:
"A bible for women; a guide for men."
**[18:48] Tomo**
But I took a lot away from it.
**[18:50] Tomo**
It scared me quite a bit, too.
**[18:53] Tomo**
Gave me lots to be wary about.
***SIGN*** Thoughts on today
**[18:56] Tomo**
It wasn't a lot of material, in terms
of run-time. It was really short...
**[19:00] Chiba**
Right.
**[19:01] Chiba**
I think that might've been a factor
**[19:02] Tomo**
Oh, definitely.
**[19:02] Chiba**
in how difficult it was.
**[19:03] Tomo**
I... I was actually about to say that...
**[19:05] Chiba**
Oh, sorry, I stepped on your toes!
**[19:08] Tomo**
It's fine. And the thing is,
I think it was worth taking on,
**[19:11] Tomo**
and I hope people get something out of it.
**[19:15] Tomo**
I mean, I've been making anime
for 30-something years now...
**[19:19] Tomo**
And what I realized working on this is,
**[19:23] Tomo**
sure, you're only doing enough art
to fill three minutes of airtime,
**[19:27] Tomo**
which, compared to a 30-minute
anime, is a lot less work,
**[19:32] Tomo**
and in one sense,
that makes it easier, but...
**[19:34] Tomo**
Making a quality product with
a run-time of only three minutes,
**[19:40] Tomo**
and one you're satisfied with,
is by no means, an easy feat.
**[19:43] Tomo**
If anything, because it's over so fast,
**[19:48] Tomo**
it's kind of hard to make sure
everything falls into place.
**[19:51] Tomo**
Although, today, after we'd finished
recording, I was rather relieved.
**[19:57] Tomo**
Even though I've been doing
this job for as long as I have,
**[20:01] Tomo**
I find there still aren't many
times when I feel I can relax,
**[20:04] Tomo**
because I've gotten used to the stress.
**[20:06] Tomo**
It was a rare feeling to have.
**[20:09] Tomo**
Like, say you have a variety of options,
**[20:11] Tomo**
having to choose the
right one is somewhat...
**[20:15] Tomo**
Compared to having a full-length story,
it's much harder to make a decision,
**[20:23] Tomo**
or even figure out what it is
you want to base your decisions on.
**[20:32] Chiba**
First, I saw the storyboards.
Then, I saw the completed script.
**[20:36] Chiba**
But even after all that,
I had my head in my hands,
**[20:40] Chiba**
worrying how I was going to approach it,
**[20:42] Chiba**
and that was the mood I was in when
I actually showed up to the recording.
**[20:48] Chiba**
I honestly thought I might
not be able to handle it.
**[20:51] Chiba**
It's been a long time since I felt like that.
Thinking, "Oh, I don't know if I can do this!"
**[20:56] Chiba**
But since I was given so much freedom,
and seeing Maa-kun's performance...
**[21:04] Chiba**
Not to mention, seeing the animation in
motion gives a different kind of feedback.
**[21:09] Tomo**
Yeah, I suppose it does.
**[21:10] Chiba**
Compared to the storyboards.
**[21:12] Chiba**
So being able to see how
everything was moving,
**[21:17] Chiba**
and how things were likely to
look in the finished product,
**[21:23] Chiba**
that really helped me get closer to the
finish line with my version of Ekoda-chan,
**[21:32] Chiba**
so I think my take was one that
was built upon all of those things.
**[21:42] Chiba**
And it was a good take, right?
**[21:45] Tomo**
Right. You pass.
**[21:46] Chiba**
Oh, thank you.
**[21:47] Chiba**
That made it sound like
I was forcing you to agree!
**[21:50] Chiba**
But, y'know, getting
that approval in the end...
**[21:53] Chiba**
I'll sleep like a rock tonight.
**[21:56] Kataoka**
You were still nervous about it?
**[21:58] Chiba**
I was! The whole time!
**[22:01] Chiba**
I was like "Argh! What do I do?!"
**[22:03] Kataoka**
Really?
**[22:03] Chiba**
Yeah, seriously!
**[22:06] Chiba**
It's been a long time since I felt like that.
**[22:10] Narrator**
And that brings today's
discussion to a close.
***SIGN*** Next Episode Preview
**[22:13] Narrator**
Next time on "The Director
and Ekoda-chan's Naked Chat,"
**[22:17] Narrator**
the director of Episode 5 and
Ekoda-chan's VA will tell all,
***SIGN*** Director
***SIGN*** Ekoda-chan's
VA
**[22:20] Narrator**
and we'll hear some candid
remarks about recording sessions.
***SIGN*** Director
***SIGN*** Ekoda-chan's
VA
**[22:24] Narrator**
What unique challenges do the cast and crew
face when working on a short-form anime?
***SIGN*** Director
***SIGN*** Ekoda-chan's
VA
**[22:28] Narrator**
Look forward to it!
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** The Director and Ekoda -chan's
***SIGN*** Naked Chat
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** Until she's ready
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan
Until she's ready
***SIGN*** Futon
***SIGN*** Shadow
***SIGN*** Maa-kun
***SIGN*** Ekoda-chan
***SIGN*** Rinshi!! Ekoda-chan